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Post by WeirdRaptor on Jul 8, 2024 20:19:50 GMT -6
Courtesy of Nomad Ackbar, who made a similar topic on Sakaar, but I thought it was worth asking here as well. Has putting necessary viewing material exclusively on Disney+ hurt the MCU? Or is it a case of the companies involved mishandling creating both Series and Movies meant to be intertwined by creating too much of both? Or is it both of those problems? Or should the MCU have just ended with Endgame? |
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Post by Nomad Ackbar on Jul 9, 2024 11:49:22 GMT -6
I wish I could take credit but it was actually our boy hauntedknight87 who made that thread. |
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Post by Nomad Ackbar on Jul 9, 2024 11:50:41 GMT -6
I’ll paste my reply from that thread…
The popular argument that DisneyPlus would work if only it exercised quality over quantity is a bit like saying Godzilla would be a good tourist attraction if only he didn’t knock down all the buildings and step on people. The platform doesn’t exist to provide a new and exciting expansion for Marvel and Stars Wars. It exists to milk those IPs dry with a constant assembly line of content. 3-4 movies a year was already pushing this thing to the brink.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Jul 9, 2024 11:58:01 GMT -6
Honestly I feel like both Disney and Feige got carried away with the Disney+ stuff. Most of them felt like it was more about quantity than quality.
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Post by WeirdRaptor on Jul 9, 2024 13:04:42 GMT -6
I wish I could take credit but it was actually our boy hauntedknight87 who made that thread. It'd be easier to keep track if everyone didn't change usernames every week or so. FEH! You Sakaarites all look alike! Get me a sammich, woman! |
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Post by WeirdRaptor on Jul 9, 2024 13:08:48 GMT -6
Nomad Ackbar, hauntedknight87, Another thing they could have done, and I'm shocked no one running a shared superhero universe has thought of this yet is to set the movies and TV shows in different decades. A shared Marvel TV Universe surrounding the various "secret" heroes which have apparently existed all along would have been fine while the films continued to be set in the modern day. DC would be more easily able to pull this off with all the old-timey heroes it has. Like, set the TV shows of the universe in the 40s-60s with the Justice Society of America/International lineup characters like the Jay Garrick Flash and Hal Jordon Green Lantern and have the films be the more "modern" characters like the Wally West Flash and Guy Gardner Lantern.
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Post by Nomad Ackbar on Jul 9, 2024 18:43:37 GMT -6
Since the beginning I said that making them mandatory would blow up in their faces. I said something similar recently on Reddit concerning that upcoming Green Lantern show and got downvoted to oblivion. You are never going to get the majority of your casual audience to follow the tv shows. You just aren’t. Watching a few culturally significant blockbusters a year is something most people are happy to do. But multiple tv seasons is another matter. A Green Lantern movie could be a big hit if it’s good but a GL tv show is destined to be niche no matter the quality. Tv shows are a shared universe killer. People will sooner drop out than commit all the time to stay current— and if they’re also mediocre? Forget about it.
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Post by WeirdRaptor on Jul 9, 2024 18:48:28 GMT -6
Since the beginning I said that making them mandatory would blow up in their faces. I said something similar recently on Reddit concerning that upcoming Green Lantern show and got downvoted to oblivion. You are never going to get the majority of your casual audience to follow the tv shows. You just aren’t. Watching a few culturally significant blockbusters a year is something most people are happy to do. But multiple tv seasons is another matter. A Green Lantern movie could be a big hit if it’s good but a GL tv show is destined to be niche no matter the quality. Tv shows are a shared universe killer. People will sooner drop out than commit all the time to stay current— and if they’re also mediocre? Forget about it. Yeah, basically, all the necessary story for the shows need to be contained to the shows and all the necessary story for the movies need to be contained to the movies. The two can crossover occasionally and even feature shoutouts to each other, but that's it. Like with my "separated by decades" idea, the TV characters can frequently meet up at this one diner and then in the one of the movies, you see the same diner, but its decades later and the guy who runs it as an elderly man. To the people who don't watch the shows, it's just a diner a couple or more characters in the movie are meeting in. To the fans who watch both, it's an "OH MY GOD!" moment. |
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Post by Nomad Ackbar on Jul 9, 2024 18:52:27 GMT -6
Since the beginning I said that making them mandatory would blow up in their faces. I said something similar recently on Reddit concerning that upcoming Green Lantern show and got downvoted to oblivion. You are never going to get the majority of your casual audience to follow the tv shows. You just aren’t. Watching a few culturally significant blockbusters a year is something most people are happy to do. But multiple tv seasons is another matter. A Green Lantern movie could be a big hit if it’s good but a GL tv show is destined to be niche no matter the quality. Tv shows are a shared universe killer. People will sooner drop out than commit all the time to stay current— and if they’re also mediocre? Forget about it. Yeah, basically, all the necessary story for the shows need to be contained to the shows and all the necessary story for the movies need to be contained to the movies. The two can crossover occasionally and even feature shoutouts to each other, but that's it. Like with my "separated by decades" idea, the TV characters can frequently meet up at this one diner and then in the one of the movies, you see the same diner, but its decades later and the guy who runs it as an elderly man. To the people who don't watch the shows, it's just a diner a couple or more characters in the movie are meeting in. To the fans who watch both, it's an "OH MY GOD!" moment. I agree. I’m still surprised they didn’t foresee the issues. Wandavision was about as successful and acclaimed a show as they could have hoped for but I know for a fact that many casual fans were still thrown by Dr Strange 2 basically being a sequel to a tv series they hadn’t seen. |
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Post by WeirdRaptor on Jul 9, 2024 18:53:56 GMT -6
Yeah, basically, all the necessary story for the shows need to be contained to the shows and all the necessary story for the movies need to be contained to the movies. The two can crossover occasionally and even feature shoutouts to each other, but that's it. Like with my "separated by decades" idea, the TV characters can frequently meet up at this one diner and then in the one of the movies, you see the same diner, but its decades later and the guy who runs it as an elderly man. To the people who don't watch the shows, it's just a diner a couple or more characters in the movie are meeting in. To the fans who watch both, it's an "OH MY GOD!" moment. I agree. I’m still surprised they didn’t foresee the issues. Wandavision was about as successful and acclaimed a show as they could have hoped for but I know for a fact that many casual fans were still thrown by Dr Strange 2 basically being a sequel to a tv series they hadn’t seen. And completely ditched all the plot threads from DS1. |
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Post by Nomad Ackbar on Jul 9, 2024 18:55:27 GMT -6
I agree. I’m still surprised they didn’t foresee the issues. Wandavision was about as successful and acclaimed a show as they could have hoped for but I know for a fact that many casual fans were still thrown by Dr Strange 2 basically being a sequel to a tv series they hadn’t seen. And completely ditched all the plot threads from DS1. That too. The movie has actually grown on me a lot. It’s honestly my favorite post-End Game MCU movie. But it does have its issues to be sure. |
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Post by WeirdRaptor on Jul 9, 2024 18:56:38 GMT -6
And completely ditched all the plot threads from DS1. That too. The movie has actually grown on me a lot. It’s honestly my favorite post-End Game MCU movie. But it does have its issues to be sure. I honestly wish they had let Scott Derrickson make his DS2 and put Raimi in charge of Blade, since that's more his wheelhouse. |
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Post by Nomad Ackbar on Jul 9, 2024 18:58:57 GMT -6
That too. The movie has actually grown on me a lot. It’s honestly my favorite post-End Game MCU movie. But it does have its issues to be sure. I honestly wish they had let Scott Derrickson make his DS2 and put Raimi in charge of Blade, since that's more his wheelhouse. I agree. Or Midnight Suns or even Fantastic Four. I feel like it was almost a waste of Raimi because he couldn’t really create his own movie from scratch. Had they hired him for Dr Strange from the beginning it would have been a different story. |
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Post by WeirdRaptor on Jul 9, 2024 19:00:59 GMT -6
I honestly wish they had let Scott Derrickson make his DS2 and put Raimi in charge of Blade, since that's more his wheelhouse. I agree. Or Midnight Suns or even Fantastic Four. I feel like it was almost a waste of Raimi because he couldn’t really create his own movie from scratch. Had they hired him for Dr Strange from the beginning it would have been a different story. And even then, the first Doctor Strange already had its place in the greater story appointed to it, so Raimi would have probably been tasked with writing a very similar story to the one we got. |
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Post by Nomad Ackbar on Jul 9, 2024 19:04:17 GMT -6
I agree. Or Midnight Suns or even Fantastic Four. I feel like it was almost a waste of Raimi because he couldn’t really create his own movie from scratch. Had they hired him for Dr Strange from the beginning it would have been a different story. And even then, the first Doctor Strange already had its place in the greater story appointed to it, so Raimi would have probably been tasked with writing a very similar story to the one we got. True. And having read some Doctor Strange comics since then I see just how conservative they were with the weirdness in that first movie— quite intentionally so. They wanted a very general audience friendly version of the character and his mythology. Which was indeed smart, but also carefully calibrated and restrictive. |
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