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Post by kuatorises on Dec 19, 2018 14:10:39 GMT -6
Have they botched how they handle that aspect of the character? He hasn't won many fights since the first Avengers movie. Stark knocks him out in the second one, Thor beats him in Ragnorak, and Thanos whips his ass in Infinity War.
Thor gets a second crack at Thanos in Infinity War and while it's more of a sneak attack than anything, he is at least shown to be capable; even if he would lose one on one against him. I don't mind that Thor wins in Ragnorak or that Thanos beats him (it's that he beat him so easily), but when you combine all of them together it just makes the character look so lame.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 14:38:34 GMT -6
I have never been bothered by it.
First, it is usually done to fit the plot. Thanos beating Hulk not only provides an instant display of how powerful Thanos is, it also provides a new and interesting arc for Hulk/Banner.
Second, if Hulk won every fight it would make him boring. A hero that always wins is hard to care about. This is a problem with Superman as well.
Third, we do have several displays of Hulk winning easily. He kicks Loki's butt pretty quickly in Avengers.
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Post by WeirdRaptor on Dec 19, 2018 14:56:00 GMT -6
Tony won because he cheap-shotted Hulk in "Age of Ultron."
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 19, 2018 14:57:28 GMT -6
Stark didn't knock out Hulk. He was already half way changed back into Banner when Iron Man lands the knockout blow.
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 20, 2018 7:19:09 GMT -6
I have never been bothered by it. First, it is usually done to fit the plot. Thanos beating Hulk not only provides an instant display of how powerful Thanos is, it also provides a new and interesting arc for Hulk/Banner. Second, if Hulk won every fight it would make him boring. A hero that always wins is hard to care about. This is a problem with Superman as well. Third, we do have several displays of Hulk winning easily. He kicks Loki's butt pretty quickly in Avengers. That's exactly the problem.
He doesn't have to win every fight. He just doesn't have to lose every major one either. It's appropriate you used him beating Loki as an example, because 1. That's several movies ago. 2. One of the only fights he won. He loses almost every major fight after Loki. Only one he wins is the dog in Ragnorak; and that's because the dog was a villain. It's weak and inconsistent writing.
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 20, 2018 7:23:08 GMT -6
Stark didn't knock out Hulk. He was already half way changed back into Banner when Iron Man lands the knockout blow. Not true. I just re-watched it. Hulk was full Hulk mode and getting ready to go after the military:
I actually hate that fight. Iron Man rag dolls Hulk about 75% of the fight. I don't mind Tony hanging with him, but he should be barely doing it. The way they had him against Thanos was a great example. He can fight him, sustain him, but barely.He's not getting dismissed in on or two blows, but just barely keeping his head above water. Hell, Tony puts up a better fight against Thanos than Hulk did.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 15:16:50 GMT -6
There are several problems with the Hulk in the MCU not least of which is his status as a walking action set piece.
What the MCU gets right about him though is his toughness. Tony dropped an entire building on him and, he looked like he just woke up from a nap. His reflexes, invulnerability, and stamina are depicted well in my opinion. His speed was also noteworthy until Thanos managed to run circles around him in IW (which is consistent with the comics).
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 1, 2019 8:25:52 GMT -6
Have they botched how they handle that aspect of the character? He hasn't won many fights since the first Avengers movie. Stark knocks him out in the second one, Thor beats him in Ragnorak, and Thanos whips his ass in Infinity War. Thor gets a second crack at Thanos in Infinity War and while it's more of a sneak attack than anything, he is at least shown to be capable; even if he would lose one on one against him. I don't mind that Thor wins in Ragnorak or that Thanos beats him (it's that he beat him so easily), but when you combine all of them together it just makes the character look so lame. I have no idea how any of that is a problem |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 1, 2019 8:27:56 GMT -6
Stark didn't knock out Hulk. He was already half way changed back into Banner when Iron Man lands the knockout blow. Not true. I just re-watched it. Hulk was full Hulk mode and getting ready to go after the military:
I actually hate that fight. Iron Man rag dolls Hulk about 75% of the fight. I don't mind Tony hanging with him, but he should be barely doing it. The way they had him against Thanos was a great example. He can fight him, sustain him, but barely.He's not getting dismissed in on or two blows, but just barely keeping his head above water. Hell, Tony puts up a better fight against Thanos than Hulk did.
the Thanos fight was all about Thanos skill as a fighter and not superiority of strength or speed. I thought it highlighted that perfectly. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 1, 2019 8:28:45 GMT -6
There are several problems with the Hulk in the MCU not least of which is his status as a walking action set piece. What the MCU gets right about him though is his toughness. Tony dropped an entire building on him and, he looked like he just woke up from a nap. His reflexes, invulnerability, and stamina are depicted well in my opinion. His speed was also noteworthy until Thanos managed to run circles around him in IW (which is consistent with the comics). The Thanos fight to me wasn’t about speed but about skill as a fighter |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 1, 2019 8:30:45 GMT -6
I have never been bothered by it. First, it is usually done to fit the plot. Thanos beating Hulk not only provides an instant display of how powerful Thanos is, it also provides a new and interesting arc for Hulk/Banner. Second, if Hulk won every fight it would make him boring. A hero that always wins is hard to care about. This is a problem with Superman as well. Third, we do have several displays of Hulk winning easily. He kicks Loki's butt pretty quickly in Avengers. That's exactly the problem.
He doesn't have to win every fight. He just doesn't have to lose every major one either. It's appropriate you used him beating Loki as an example, because 1. That's several movies ago. 2. One of the only fights he won. He loses almost every major fight after Loki. Only one he wins is the dog in Ragnorak; and that's because the dog was a villain. It's weak and inconsistent writing.
I don’t think it’s weak of inconsistent at all. Thor got a power up, Thanos uses superior skill, and iron man had built specially designed tech to compete. That’s all good writing imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 19:55:16 GMT -6
There are several problems with the Hulk in the MCU not least of which is his status as a walking action set piece. What the MCU gets right about him though is his toughness. Tony dropped an entire building on him and, he looked like he just woke up from a nap. His reflexes, invulnerability, and stamina are depicted well in my opinion. His speed was also noteworthy until Thanos managed to run circles around him in IW (which is consistent with the comics). The Thanos fight to me wasn’t about speed but about skill as a fighter Overall yes but, both speed and precision are definitely key aspects in Thanos’ victory over the Hulk. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 20:26:54 GMT -6
The Thanos fight to me wasn’t about speed but about skill as a fighter Overall yes but, both speed and precision are definitely key aspects in Thanos’ victory over the Hulk. And maybe a little cocky overconfidence in Hulk carried over from his time at Sakaar. Now he is in a crisis of confidence, and hopefully we will see growth in a wiser still incredibly strong Hulk with his confidence restored in the end. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 1, 2019 20:28:27 GMT -6
The Thanos fight to me wasn’t about speed but about skill as a fighter Overall yes but, both speed and precision are definitely key aspects in Thanos’ victory over the Hulk. I agree. Weren’t they basically saying Thanos was on par with him but also smarter and more tactical, hence the victory? I think that’s the whole reason for the current banner vs hulk story where they realize they need each other. I think. Am I missing something? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 20:43:06 GMT -6
Overall yes but, both speed and precision are definitely key aspects in Thanos’ victory over the Hulk. I agree. Weren’t they basically saying Thanos was on par with him but also smarter and more tactical, hence the victory? I think that’s the whole reason for the current banner vs hulk story where they realize they need each other. I think. Am I missing something? You’re not missing anything. With or without the Gauntlet, Hulk has never been a serious threat to Thanos in the comics. He has easily dispatched him on multiple occasions. Some contemporary stories attempt to make the two near equals in strength but, Thanos usually still prevails. The Thanos vs. Hulk fight isn’t the best example if you’re trying to demonstrate the Hulk’s inconsistent power levels. I think the OP is just upset that the Hulk loses more than he wins in the MCU. |
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