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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 21:03:36 GMT -6
Yeah, but doing that doesn't send a message to Perlmutter. True. The question is, does Feige really need to erase the shows to be able to do what he wants with a film series? The bigger question is, does he need to keep the Netflix continuity? I'd argue that he doesn't. I can't find one single, substantial public comment Kevin Feige ever made about Marvel Netflix. If you know of one (or more), please let me know. Dude has always been slippery when it comes to discussing Marvel/Netflix. It's damn near infuriating. |
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Post by WeirdRaptor on Aug 13, 2019 21:05:58 GMT -6
Yeah, but doing that doesn't send a message to Perlmutter. True. The question is, does Feige really need to erase the shows to be able to do what he wants with a film series? Yes, because nothing about the Netflix shows panned out the way it was supposed to. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2019 21:11:24 GMT -6
True. The question is, does Feige really need to erase the shows to be able to do what he wants with a film series? The bigger question is, does he need to keep the Netflix continuity? I'd argue that he doesn't. I can't find one single, substantial public comment Kevin Feige ever made about Marvel Netflix. If you know of one (or more), please let me know. Dude has always been slippery when it comes to discussing Marvel/Netflix. It's damn near infuriating. He doesn't have to,,,
HOWEVER, he's got a built in origin just sitting there which doesn't present any real obstacle for doing whatever he wants to with the characters going forward.
There's basically no reason not to keep it as background information, even if he never specifically addresses anything that happened.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2019 21:13:11 GMT -6
True. The question is, does Feige really need to erase the shows to be able to do what he wants with a film series? Yes, because nothing about the Netflix shows panned out the way it was supposed to. What do you mean? I thought they worked out fine.
More importantly, I don't think they did anything that would hinder them in whatever they want to do next. Basically they could do anything with those characters they wanted to and there's very little the Netflix shows did that would come into conflict with it. You'd almost have to try to contradict them.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Aug 13, 2019 21:16:01 GMT -6
Unfortunately there will probably be a backlash if they do recast the Netflix characters and I won't blame them.
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Post by WeirdRaptor on Aug 13, 2019 21:16:22 GMT -6
Yes, because nothing about the Netflix shows panned out the way it was supposed to. What do you mean? I thought they worked out fine.
More importantly, I don't think they did anything that would hinder them in whatever they want to do next. Basically they could do anything with those characters they wanted to and there's very little the Netflix shows did that would come into conflict with it. You'd almost have to try to contradict them.
The TV and movie characters were supposed to be interacting as of several years ago. You could literally ignore the Netflix stuff and lose nothing as far as the movies are concerned. That's the problem here. This is supposed to be a shared universe. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 21:22:21 GMT -6
The bigger question is, does he need to keep the Netflix continuity? I'd argue that he doesn't. I can't find one single, substantial public comment Kevin Feige ever made about Marvel Netflix. If you know of one (or more), please let me know. Dude has always been slippery when it comes to discussing Marvel/Netflix. It's damn near infuriating. He doesn't have to,,,
HOWEVER, he's got a built in origin just sitting there which doesn't present any real obstacle for doing whatever he wants to with the characters going forward.
There's basically no reason not to keep it as background information, even if he never specifically addresses anything that happened.
Here's the thing. Kevin is very hands-on. There are no middle-men, go-betweens, or corporate bagmen lurking around his fiefdom. He doesn't even have a visible second in command. That's mostly why Marvel Studios works so well. If he didn't PERSONALLY bless it from day one, it can't pass. There is just no way he's going to say, "oh yeah, all that stuff that Jeph did at Netflix? We're good; I'm going to add it to MY canon... my LEGACY. If that were the case, Loeb would be running Disney+ content but, he's not. If not for Adventures Into Fear, Jeph would be redundant and irrelevant. I get it; there's good content there that Kevin can build on. Makes perfect sense except for when you take into account that he's never done that and, it's antithetical to the way he operates and works. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2019 21:23:03 GMT -6
What do you mean? I thought they worked out fine.
More importantly, I don't think they did anything that would hinder them in whatever they want to do next. Basically they could do anything with those characters they wanted to and there's very little the Netflix shows did that would come into conflict with it. You'd almost have to try to contradict them.
The TV and movie characters were supposed to be interacting as of several years ago. You could literally ignore the Netflix stuff and lose nothing as far as the movies are concerned. That's the problem here. This is supposed to be a shared universe. Oh I get that. But I've never bought into the idea that everybody has to interact to be "connected", just like you've never met my college roommate, and there are probably interesting stories to tell about both of you. The fact that they haven't met just makes the universe feel bigger to me.
BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT, BUT BUT BUT BUT, I am curious to see them meet at some point. And I don't think you need to throw out the Netflix continuity in order for that to happen.
All you have to do is have a much more experienced Daredevil show up. There is absolutely nothing standing in the way of that. Nothing the shows have down, nothing about them not having met up until this point, prevents them from just simply having them meet now. It's very straight forward. There's no need for a reboot whatsoever.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2019 21:24:59 GMT -6
He doesn't have to,,,
HOWEVER, he's got a built in origin just sitting there which doesn't present any real obstacle for doing whatever he wants to with the characters going forward.
There's basically no reason not to keep it as background information, even if he never specifically addresses anything that happened.
Here's the thing. Kevin is very hands-on. There are no middle-men, go-betweens, or corporate bagmen lurking around his fiefdom. He doesn't even have a visible second in command. That's mostly why Marvel Studios works so well. If he didn't PERSONALLY bless it from day one, it can't pass. There is just no way he's going to say, "oh yeah, all that stuff that Jeph did at Netflix? We're good; I'm going to add it to MY canon... my LEGACY. If that were the case, Loeb would be running Disney+ content but, he's not. If not for Adventures Into Fear, Jeph would be redundant and irrelevant. I get it; there's good content there that Kevin can build on. Makes perfect sense except for when you take into account that he's never done that and, it's antithetical to the way he operates and works. My point is, he doesn't have to add it. He doesn't have to build on it. All he has to do is not blatantly contradict it, and there's almost nothing he could do that would contradict it. The shows have essentially just established the characters. That's it. All he needs to do is present them as already known characters. He doesn't have to reference the shows or anything. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2019 21:26:51 GMT -6
Unfortunately there will probably be a backlash if they do recast the Netflix characters and I won't blame them. If we're going to pay attention to anybody who bitches about anything we'd never stop. Let them backlash. They can eat shit with the people who backlashed Captain Marvel. |
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Post by WeirdRaptor on Aug 13, 2019 21:27:55 GMT -6
The TV and movie characters were supposed to be interacting as of several years ago. You could literally ignore the Netflix stuff and lose nothing as far as the movies are concerned. That's the problem here. This is supposed to be a shared universe. Oh I get that. But I've never bought into the idea that everybody has to interact to be "connected", just like you've never met my college roommate, and there are probably interesting stories to tell about both of you. The fact that they haven't met just makes the universe feel bigger to me.
BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT, BUT BUT BUT BUT, I am curious to see them meet at some point. And I don't think you need to throw out the Netflix continuity in order for that to happen.
All you have to do is have a much more experienced Daredevil show up. There is absolutely nothing standing in the way of that. Nothing the shows have down, nothing about them not having met up until this point, prevents them from just simply having them meet now. It's very straight forward. There's no need for a reboot whatsoever.
Yeah, but the plan was for them to meet. They had ideas. Ideas they had to scrap because Perlmutter is an asshole. The actors are displeased with how it turned out as well and they don't even want to return anymore. Meh. I'm actually happy to see the Netflix continuity go. It never did anything for me. I felt like it was needlessly crass and vulgar from day one. |
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Aug 13, 2019 21:28:53 GMT -6
Unfortunately there will probably be a backlash if they do recast the Netflix characters and I won't blame them. If we're going to pay attention tio anybody who bitches about anything we'd never stop. Let them backlash. They can eat shit with the people who backlashed Captain Marvel. Is it really bitching? Especially being told that "everything is connected" with the shows? I don't think so. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 21:34:37 GMT -6
Here's the thing. Kevin is very hands-on. There are no middle-men, go-betweens, or corporate bagmen lurking around his fiefdom. He doesn't even have a visible second in command. That's mostly why Marvel Studios works so well. If he didn't PERSONALLY bless it from day one, it can't pass. There is just no way he's going to say, "oh yeah, all that stuff that Jeph did at Netflix? We're good; I'm going to add it to MY canon... my LEGACY. If that were the case, Loeb would be running Disney+ content but, he's not. If not for Adventures Into Fear, Jeph would be redundant and irrelevant. I get it; there's good content there that Kevin can build on. Makes perfect sense except for when you take into account that he's never done that and, it's antithetical to the way he operates and works. My point is, he doesn't have to add it. He doesn't have to build on it. All he has to do is not blatantly contradict it, and there's almost nothing he could do that would contradict it. The shows have essentially just established the characters. That's it. All he needs to do is present them as already known characters. He doesn't have to reference the shows or anything. Okay, let's use an example. Let's say Daredevil debuts as a new film in Phase 5. It starts with him as an already established hero. In your example, Kevin has to consciously not conflict with anything Netflix did. One could argue that alone hamstrings him creatively but, let's put that aside for a second. How do I learn about Daredevil's origin in detail? We can't assume everyone knows it because there haven't been six Daredevil films that went over it repeatedly. Do we just assume everyone is all caught up on Netflix? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2019 21:34:59 GMT -6
Oh I get that. But I've never bought into the idea that everybody has to interact to be "connected", just like you've never met my college roommate, and there are probably interesting stories to tell about both of you. The fact that they haven't met just makes the universe feel bigger to me.
BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT, BUT BUT BUT BUT, I am curious to see them meet at some point. And I don't think you need to throw out the Netflix continuity in order for that to happen.
All you have to do is have a much more experienced Daredevil show up. There is absolutely nothing standing in the way of that. Nothing the shows have down, nothing about them not having met up until this point, prevents them from just simply having them meet now. It's very straight forward. There's no need for a reboot whatsoever.
Yeah, but the plan was for them to meet. They had ideas. Ideas they had to scrap because Perlmutter is an asshole. The actors are displeased with how it turned out as well and they don't even want to return anymore. Meh. I'm actually happy to see the Netflix continuity go. It never did anything for me. I felt like it was needlessly crass and vulgar from day one. BTW this is an awesome conversation :-) I'm really enjoying talking to you and Death Man about this.
And I don't disagree with what you just said at all.
My point is that they don't have to address the Netflix continuity at all. They can recast, they can do anything they want basically. All you have to do is just treat the characters as already established, and basically he's cool. It would then be up to the audience to accept whether they treat the Netflix stuff as the origins or to ignore them. It leaves open nearly all creative freedom. All he would have to do is just not blatantly contradict anything.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2019 21:38:45 GMT -6
If we're going to pay attention tio anybody who bitches about anything we'd never stop. Let them backlash. They can eat shit with the people who backlashed Captain Marvel. Is it really bitching? Especially being told that "everything is connected" with the shows? I don't think so. I get it, but I've always thought it was better that they didn't interact until now. The world feels smaller if everybody knows each other, not bigger. You don't know my college roommates, but we have some crazy stories we could tell you. Are they less interesting because you and I have never met? NO. If you and I met now would those stories not exist? NO
It's cool that these characters could/will eventually meet, but the fact that they haven't yet, isn't by itself a reason to complain or throw out everything that's been done.
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