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Post by WeirdRaptor on Feb 9, 2020 22:48:20 GMT -6
Sorry for bumping an old thread but now that Season 2 had been out for over a year how do you guys feel about the whole thing now? I think the alt-right angle was a bit overplayed in the marketing. Right, Left, Up or Down... those people had it coming and Frank obliged them. Great season... Never politicize your product like that. Pure and simple. It probably hurt the viewership of this season, which is a shame, because it was brilliant. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 23:01:57 GMT -6
I feel the same way. The season didnt have the same punch as the last one. Alt-right villain was underwhelming. Was he alt-right though? lol. Transitional Jigsaw was also a little underwhelming and why does he suddenly get a love interest again..First one was fine, it made sense. This time it was just stale and felt out of place. Some pretty young thing following the Punisher around didnt help either. With some films and tv shows this works, just not this time. This season just felt lazy
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 10, 2020 13:10:44 GMT -6
I feel the same way. The season didnt have the same punch as the last one. Alt-right villain was underwhelming. Was he alt-right though? lol. Transitional Jigsaw was also a little underwhelming and why does he suddenly get a love interest again..First one was fine, it made sense. This time it was just stale and felt out of place. Some pretty young thing following the Punisher around didnt help either. With some films and tv shows this works, just not this time. This season just felt lazy I know what you mean, but I don’t point to any one thing that was necessarily a culprit. I think any of it is fine but the oddness of it was that it seemed like the couldn’t decide on what the main plot was about. I kept wondering how the jigsaw and Puritan plots were going to end up coming together, and the answer was, they didn’t. I liked both stories and any specific thing that happened, but it was odd they chose to smush those together. Maybe somebody has a more interesting outlook on that? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 14:04:00 GMT -6
I feel the same way. The season didnt have the same punch as the last one. Alt-right villain was underwhelming. Was he alt-right though? lol. Transitional Jigsaw was also a little underwhelming and why does he suddenly get a love interest again..First one was fine, it made sense. This time it was just stale and felt out of place. Some pretty young thing following the Punisher around didnt help either. With some films and tv shows this works, just not this time. This season just felt lazy I know what you mean, but I don’t point to any one thing that was necessarily a culprit. I think any of it is fine but the oddness of it was that it seemed like the couldn’t decide on what the main plot was about. I kept wondering how the jigsaw and Puritan plots were going to end up coming together, and the answer was, they didn’t. I liked both stories and any specific thing that happened, but it was odd they chose to smush those together. Maybe somebody has a more interesting outlook on that? I thought season two did a good job of establishing Frank as the Punisher - a purposeful entity who actively seeks to right wrongs. It also did a great job of establishing Frank beyond the context of the death of his family, (although he is still clearly and highly motivated by it). The action was more tame, and I was grateful for that. The last thing I wanted was for it to escalate to cartoonish levels - cause escalation. As a person who has worked adjacent to men (and women) who take up arms for money, the writers were getting a few of the smaller details right. How an individual holds/carries a weapon. What they might say, and how they might react in a given situation. Don't get me wrong; Punisher season two wasn't American Sniper but, some of it was well researched (much like the first season). I enjoyed the more humanist and less cartoonish take on the character in season 2. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 10, 2020 14:42:12 GMT -6
I know what you mean, but I don’t point to any one thing that was necessarily a culprit. I think any of it is fine but the oddness of it was that it seemed like the couldn’t decide on what the main plot was about. I kept wondering how the jigsaw and Puritan plots were going to end up coming together, and the answer was, they didn’t. I liked both stories and any specific thing that happened, but it was odd they chose to smush those together. Maybe somebody has a more interesting outlook on that? I thought season two did a good job of establishing Frank as the Punisher - a purposeful entity who actively seeks to right wrongs. It also did a great job of establishing Frank beyond the context of the death of his family, (although he is still clearly and highly motivated by it). The action was more tame, and I was grateful for that. The last thing I wanted was for it to escalate to cartoonish levels - cause escalation. As a person who has worked adjacent to men (and women) who take up arms for money, the writers were getting a few of the smaller details right. How an individual holds/carries a weapon. What they might say, and how they might react in a given situation. Don't get me wrong; Punisher season two wasn't American Sniper but, some of it was well researched (much like the first season). I enjoyed it the more humanist and less cartoonish take on the character in season 2. nicely put. I enjoyed it too and appreciated the sort of real world vibe about it. |
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Feb 10, 2020 16:38:48 GMT -6
Not that it matters now since the show been cancelled and i doubt Feige would revisit the character but i kinda wish season 2 didn't feature Jigsaw. I liked the John Pilgrim character more than the Jigsaw plotline.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 16:47:09 GMT -6
I feel the same way. The season didnt have the same punch as the last one. Alt-right villain was underwhelming. Was he alt-right though? lol. Transitional Jigsaw was also a little underwhelming and why does he suddenly get a love interest again..First one was fine, it made sense. This time it was just stale and felt out of place. Some pretty young thing following the Punisher around didnt help either. With some films and tv shows this works, just not this time. This season just felt lazy I know what you mean, but I don’t point to any one thing that was necessarily a culprit. I think any of it is fine but the oddness of it was that it seemed like the couldn’t decide on what the main plot was about. I kept wondering how the jigsaw and Puritan plots were going to end up coming together, and the answer was, they didn’t. I liked both stories and any specific thing that happened, but it was odd they chose to smush those together. Maybe somebody has a more interesting outlook on that? Thats fair enough. Funnily enough for me the best concluding season was Iron Fist. Some would be like, seriously not DD s3? Sure that was good but a bit repetitive with Kingpin coming back and then instead of the corrupt cops like last time, it was corrupt federal cops. I might have asked this before but I cant remember. Does anyone know why Billy turned on the Punisher in season 1? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 10, 2020 17:02:59 GMT -6
I know what you mean, but I don’t point to any one thing that was necessarily a culprit. I think any of it is fine but the oddness of it was that it seemed like the couldn’t decide on what the main plot was about. I kept wondering how the jigsaw and Puritan plots were going to end up coming together, and the answer was, they didn’t. I liked both stories and any specific thing that happened, but it was odd they chose to smush those together. Maybe somebody has a more interesting outlook on that? Thats fair enough. Funnily enough for me the best concluding season was Iron Fist. Some would be like, seriously not DD s3? Sure that was good but a bit repetitive with Kingpin coming back and then instead of the corrupt cops like last time, it was corrupt federal cops. I might have asked this before but I cant remember. Does anyone know why Billy turned on the Punisher in season 1? yeah I'm sort of with you on that top one, although my favorite final season was Jessica Jones S3. I really loved the last season and what they did with Hellcat. Shocking, but great.
Billy, basically just got greedy. He got full on corrupt and before he knew it Frank's family was a target, but he decided Frank got himself in that kind of trouble and it wasn't worth risking his own success to do anything about it. After that, when Frank turned up alive, he had no choice but to be his enemy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 17:11:05 GMT -6
Thats fair enough. Funnily enough for me the best concluding season was Iron Fist. Some would be like, seriously not DD s3? Sure that was good but a bit repetitive with Kingpin coming back and then instead of the corrupt cops like last time, it was corrupt federal cops. I might have asked this before but I cant remember. Does anyone know why Billy turned on the Punisher in season 1? yeah I'm sort of with you on that top one, although my favorite final season was Jessica Jones S3. I really loved the last season and what they did with Hellcat. Shocking, but great.
Billy, basically just got greedy. He got full on corrupt and before he knew it Frank's family was a target, but he decided Frank got himself in that kind of trouble and it wasn't worth risking his own success to do anything about it. After that, when Frank turned up alive, he had no choice but to be his enemy.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Feb 11, 2020 1:02:33 GMT -6
Not that it matters now since the show been cancelled and i doubt Feige would revisit the character but i kinda wish season 2 didn't feature Jigsaw. I liked the John Pilgrim character more than the Jigsaw plotline. Same, he was pretty wasted. I rolled my eyes seeing when Jigsaw was revealed - like, seriously? He's scratched and stitched up but I've seen people looking whole lots worse going to Wal-Mart; people without noses, or an eye. Billy could still get steady work modeling when you think about it. Ben Barnes did his best with the material but ultimately Jigsaw was a let down. Liked Pilgrim as well but a lot of the time it felt like watching a totally different show stitched together with another for the sake of reaching that 60 minute limit. |
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Feb 11, 2020 1:09:24 GMT -6
I would say looking back on the Netflix shows its nice to think that most of them ended in such ways that they could easily 'pick up' from where they left off and transition in roles and situations which seamlessly fit into the larger MCU when the time comes - Matt's back as Daredevil and he, Foggy, and Karen have their firm up and running again. Jessica decides to still be a detective in NYC knowing something is out there via Killgrave's voice. Luke becoming the King of Harlem basically and its enforcer. Frank still wanting to continue his war on crime on his own terms.
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Iron Fist, ended on a cliffhanger...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 1:14:40 GMT -6
I would say looking back on the Netflix shows its nice to think that most of them ended in such ways that they could easily 'pick up' from where they left off and transition in roles and situations which seamlessly fit into the larger MCU when the time comes - Matt's back as Daredevil and he, Foggy, and Karen have their firm up and running again. Jessica decides to still be a detective in NYC knowing something is out there via Killgrave's voice. Luke becoming the King of Harlem basically and its enforcer. Frank still wanting to continue his war on crime on his own terms. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Iron Fist, ended on a cliffhanger... What do you mean by the cliffhanger comment? |
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Feb 11, 2020 1:18:04 GMT -6
I would say looking back on the Netflix shows its nice to think that most of them ended in such ways that they could easily 'pick up' from where they left off and transition in roles and situations which seamlessly fit into the larger MCU when the time comes - Matt's back as Daredevil and he, Foggy, and Karen have their firm up and running again. Jessica decides to still be a detective in NYC knowing something is out there via Killgrave's voice. Luke becoming the King of Harlem basically and its enforcer. Frank still wanting to continue his war on crime on his own terms. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Iron Fist, ended on a cliffhanger... What do you mean by the cliffhanger comment? A few months passed and Danny gained new powers. The other shows didn't end with time jumps where a gap is needed for the viewer to understand the context. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 11, 2020 6:24:25 GMT -6
I would say looking back on the Netflix shows its nice to think that most of them ended in such ways that they could easily 'pick up' from where they left off and transition in roles and situations which seamlessly fit into the larger MCU when the time comes - Matt's back as Daredevil and he, Foggy, and Karen have their firm up and running again. Jessica decides to still be a detective in NYC knowing something is out there via Killgrave's voice. Luke becoming the King of Harlem basically and its enforcer. Frank still wanting to continue his war on crime on his own terms. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Iron Fist, ended on a cliffhanger... THIS is exactly why I've been saying there's no real need to reboot them if they're used in the MCU. The basic origin is already there. All they would have to do is start telling any story they want to.
Regarding Iron Fist, if they use him, I say they just jump straight into the immortal tournament or something and not worry about how he leveled up.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Feb 11, 2020 7:33:46 GMT -6
I would say looking back on the Netflix shows its nice to think that most of them ended in such ways that they could easily 'pick up' from where they left off and transition in roles and situations which seamlessly fit into the larger MCU when the time comes - Matt's back as Daredevil and he, Foggy, and Karen have their firm up and running again. Jessica decides to still be a detective in NYC knowing something is out there via Killgrave's voice. Luke becoming the King of Harlem basically and its enforcer. Frank still wanting to continue his war on crime on his own terms. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Iron Fist, ended on a cliffhanger... I really want them to return and Charlie Cox has mentioned before that he's contracted for a film appearance. Hopefully Feige keeps them, hell I'll be fine with him soft rebooting with the same actors. |
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